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Utah CCW law changing?

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Utah CCW law changing?

Postby sieve on Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:14 pm

I received an email at home address warning of some law changes that are in the works and some that were recently voted down. Are any of you Utah CCW instructors aware of this? There was also some discussion about some abuses from BCI towards instructors. I haven't experienced any such issue myself but I've only had contact with anyone at BCI twice and those were for outline changes/approval and they were very receptive.

Just wondering if anyone knows what's up?

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Postby concealedcarry on Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:06 am

I haven't heard of any changes through the Legislature. But i'll look into it.

As for the guys at BCI, they have been nothing but nice to me. I was a AZ POST instructor and that was my secondary certification. The legislature changed that so I had to become a UT POST or an NRA instructor. they helped me throught it and were pretty responsive.
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Postby concealedcarry on Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:47 am

There are two laws currently in the senate relating to firearms. The first is a knee jerk reaction to the Katrine fisasco. THe second is in responce to employers firing employees for having firearms in their cars during work.


RIGHTS OF CITIZENS TO CARRY FIREARMS IN DECLARED EMERGENCY

General Description:
This bill enacts provisions related to the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transport, storage, display, or use of firearms during a declared state of emergency or local emergency.

Highlighted Provisions:

This bill:
provides that during a declared state of emergency or local emergency neither the
governor nor an agency of a governmental entity or political subdivision may
impose restrictions on the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transport, storage,
display, or use of a firearm or ammunition;
provides that during a declared state of emergency an individual, while purporting
to act on behalf of the state or a political subdivision, may not confiscate a privately
owned firearm of another individual;
provides exceptions to the confiscation prohibition; and
provides a civil remedy for violation of the confiscation prohibition.


PROTECTION OF CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED ACTIVITIES IN CERTAIN PRIVATE VENUES

General Description:

Protection of Activities in Private Vehicles.

Highlighted Provisions:

This bill:

provides definitions;

prohibits certain persons from creating or enforcing a policy that prohibits the storage of firearms in a motor vehicle parked on property owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the person if:

the individual storing the firearm is legally entitled to possess and transport the firearm;

the vehicle is locked, or the firearm is in a locked container; and
the firearm is not in plain view;

provides exceptions for persons with secured lots under certain circumstances;

prohibits certain persons from creating or enforcing a policy that prohibits the display or possession of items in or on a vehicle parked on property owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the person if the policy results in a substantial burden on the free exercise of religion;

provides protections from civil liability in relation to occurrences that result from, are connected with, or are incidental to the use of a firearm that is properly stored or transported in a motor vehicle in association with this chapter;

permits an individual to bring a civil action to enforce the requirements of this chapter; permits a court to grant injunctive relief, declaratory relief, damages, costs, and attorney fees in association with a suit brought to enforce the requirements of this chapter;

provides that the chapter does not apply to the following:

school premises;

state and local government entities; and religious organizations; permits the attorney general to bring an action to enforce the chapter and to requestdamages on behalf of any individual that has suffered loss due to a violation of this chapter;

and makes technical changes.
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Postby sieve on Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:46 am

I'll copy the email here for you to see tonight (emails at home). The issue is somehow tied to hidden aspects of the law or administrative rules that would affect instructors and give BCI more control over instructors. It kind of sounds like some instructors are receiving some grief from BCI. I recently saw BCI asking for feed back from students in order to check up on some instructors. I welcomed the idea and posted the link to IowaCarry.org members, feedback helps me improve. This whole issue may be nothing but a upset instructor trying to keep his certification.

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Postby Ruperto Elpusan on Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:57 am

I'm not aware of anything new down the pike. I rely on their Firearms Instructor newsletter for new information. Those newsletters are available on the the Utah CFP website.

I've called the CFP group a few times and they've been very cooperative and helpful.

I do notice ffrom the CFP website that students are encouraged to provide feedback about their training. I understand there's some concern about instructors who take shortcuts with the curriculum.
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Postby concealedcarry on Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:15 am

I've seen the new instructor evaluation page. I've considered printing them out and giving them to my students. Then faxing them to BCI myself.

I already use an instructor evaluation form and have never had a negative return so why not send them to BCI.

As we discuss in the LEAD instructor course class feedback is important.
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